Comments on: Hillary Isn’t a B**** & George Bush Isn’t Stupid http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/ (There are more of us than you think...) Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:41:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Judging Through The Airwaves « The Southern Male Democrat http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-433 Judging Through The Airwaves « The Southern Male Democrat Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:50:51 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-433 [...] do we do this? Its as if our minds are already made up that Hillary is a b@$%# or that George Bush is stupid, merely because a given politician may hold different values or positions than our own. And then [...] [...] do we do this? Its as if our minds are already made up that Hillary is a b@$%# or that George Bush is stupid, merely because a given politician may hold different values or positions than our own. And then [...]

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By: Ugh - I Can’t Vote For “Her” « The Southern Male Democrat http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-214 Ugh - I Can’t Vote For “Her” « The Southern Male Democrat Wed, 07 May 2008 20:31:28 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-214 [...] neither of my friends “like” Clinton or Perdue. (Of course, let’s once again admit that these likes and dislikes which seem so personal are actually perceptions formed through the mass media.) But why not base the choice on the issues instead of [...] [...] neither of my friends “like” Clinton or Perdue. (Of course, let’s once again admit that these likes and dislikes which seem so personal are actually perceptions formed through the mass media.) But why not base the choice on the issues instead of [...]

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By: Hag http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-67 Hag Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:48:29 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-67 Good discussion. Nice to see we can have an intelligent debate on a topic that tends to heat folks' political and personal passions. That is all. Good discussion. Nice to see we can have an intelligent debate on a topic that tends to heat folks’ political and personal passions.

That is all.

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By: DJ http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-58 DJ Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:46:32 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-58 So you're implying that in the last 16 years since we learned of Hildebeast as her husband was elected President we've only gotten to know her thru 30 sec TV clips? She has been interviewed by multiple personalities on multiple occasions, she has campaigned for senator and now for Pres, she sat with her husband as he was interviewed, and she's traveled all over this country giving us a chance to form opinions about her and her beliefs. Because of this we know more about her than we do most of our own neighbors though we've met them in person. It's no less fair to form personal opinions regarding her based on a gazillion TV appearances that were aired with the sole purpose of knowing her better (or understanding her beliefs and politics) than to form opinions of people we've met personally (which we do on regular basis). And, no, this personal judgement does not come down to partisan choice. I would find her glib and smug if she were a Pub or an independent. I may base some of my political choices on partisan lines, but not my "personal" judgements. I think our country is too partisan as it is...you know that. And if the Dems changed their beliefs on the direction of healthcare and liabilty reform in this country I'd vote Dem in all honesty. I happen to like Obama in many ways. Now that the Son of a Millworker is out of the race and we don't have to hear about two Americas anymore, I have to have somebody to pull against, and there's nobody better than Hilliary. She is a very polarizing figure, and after W, that's the LAST thing our struggling country needs. BTW, I will agree with you that W's actions as Pres have been inept at best. So you’re implying that in the last 16 years since we learned of Hildebeast as her husband was elected President we’ve only gotten to know her thru 30 sec TV clips? She has been interviewed by multiple personalities on multiple occasions, she has campaigned for senator and now for Pres, she sat with her husband as he was interviewed, and she’s traveled all over this country giving us a chance to form opinions about her and her beliefs. Because of this we know more about her than we do most of our own neighbors though we’ve met them in person. It’s no less fair to form personal opinions regarding her based on a gazillion TV appearances that were aired with the sole purpose of knowing her better (or understanding her beliefs and politics) than to form opinions of people we’ve met personally (which we do on regular basis).

And, no, this personal judgement does not come down to partisan choice. I would find her glib and smug if she were a Pub or an independent. I may base some of my political choices on partisan lines, but not my “personal” judgements. I think our country is too partisan as it is…you know that. And if the Dems changed their beliefs on the direction of healthcare and liabilty reform in this country I’d vote Dem in all honesty. I happen to like Obama in many ways. Now that the Son of a Millworker is out of the race and we don’t have to hear about two Americas anymore, I have to have somebody to pull against, and there’s nobody better than Hilliary. She is a very polarizing figure, and after W, that’s the LAST thing our struggling country needs. BTW, I will agree with you that W’s actions as Pres have been inept at best.

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By: southernmaledemocrat http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-52 southernmaledemocrat Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:45:03 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-52 Yo DJ - No offense, but your post makes my point entirely. "Glib" and "smug" are judgements of a person's personality, are they not? I have more than a few people on my glib and smug list that after a few months of personal encounters, I was more than ready to make that judgement about. Do you honestly think that the 30 second TV clips you see of Hillary, give you the ability to accurately judge whether she is glib or smug? Don't these personal judgements really just come down to a partisan choice? I mean, are there Republicans that you find to be glib or smug? And here's the difference in calling President Bush inept and stupid. Inept refers to his performance as President. I suppose I could have been more clear and said "President Bush's performance has been inept." While you're right that is an opinion, it is based on several gazallion facts that come from being informed during these last seven years. Granted, even that is relative, but basing an opinion on a set of facts (however subjective those may be) is still different from basing an opinion on a perception created by 30 second clips on TV. My point is this - you can have a well reasoned and informed debate over President Bush, with several facts that probably push it both ways. Whatever conclusion you reach from that debate, is still better than using TV to say that someone is a bitch or is stupid. Yo DJ - No offense, but your post makes my point entirely.

“Glib” and “smug” are judgements of a person’s personality, are they not? I have more than a few people on my glib and smug list that after a few months of personal encounters, I was more than ready to make that judgement about.

Do you honestly think that the 30 second TV clips you see of Hillary, give you the ability to accurately judge whether she is glib or smug?

Don’t these personal judgements really just come down to a partisan choice? I mean, are there Republicans that you find to be glib or smug?

And here’s the difference in calling President Bush inept and stupid. Inept refers to his performance as President. I suppose I could have been more clear and said “President Bush’s performance has been inept.”

While you’re right that is an opinion, it is based on several gazallion facts that come from being informed during these last seven years.

Granted, even that is relative, but basing an opinion on a set of facts (however subjective those may be) is still different from basing an opinion on a perception created by 30 second clips on TV.

My point is this - you can have a well reasoned and informed debate over President Bush, with several facts that probably push it both ways.

Whatever conclusion you reach from that debate, is still better than using TV to say that someone is a bitch or is stupid.

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By: DJ http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-51 DJ Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:49:45 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-51 Nobody could be more glib (or smug) than that b!&@#, Hildebeast. And I fear that if elected she will make the most inept president since Hoover look like Abe freakin-Lincoln. Really, how is calling somebody inept any different form calling them stupid or b!tc#y. It's an opinion based largely on the fact that his decisions as Pres don't coincide with what you (and your party) feel is right. It's not a FACT that he's inept, just an observation or opinion based on how you perceive the decisions he's made. Just don't get me started with personal opinions of John Edwards. Nobody could be more glib (or smug) than that b!&@#, Hildebeast. And I fear that if elected she will make the most inept president since Hoover look like Abe freakin-Lincoln.

Really, how is calling somebody inept any different form calling them stupid or b!tc#y. It’s an opinion based largely on the fact that his decisions as Pres don’t coincide with what you (and your party) feel is right. It’s not a FACT that he’s inept, just an observation or opinion based on how you perceive the decisions he’s made.

Just don’t get me started with personal opinions of John Edwards.

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By: Sammy Kent http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-50 Sammy Kent Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:27:54 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-50 I proudly display photos of me in my home office with President Clinton and Governor Hunt (NC), two folks I'd eat a turd before voting for...both of whom were among the most amiable and down-to-earth folks I've ever met. I'd absolutely LOVE to play a round of 18 with Clinton, much moreso than with Bush 41. To me the most telling example of how we as an electorate depend too much on the television image to decide our votes is the way Admiral Stockdale came across to most Americans as inept and illigitimate as a possible Vice President in his debate with Gore and Quayle. The people that really knew the Admiral or knew his story felt more comfortable with the thought of him being in charge of the country than any of the other five Presidential or VP candidates....and still felt so after the debate. But they were the very few. It is unfortunate that the qualities of integrity, strength, sound judgment, and vision don't always come forth in a forum dedicated primarily to determining simply who can be the most glib. I proudly display photos of me in my home office with President Clinton and Governor Hunt (NC), two folks I’d eat a turd before voting for…both of whom were among the most amiable and down-to-earth folks I’ve ever met. I’d absolutely LOVE to play a round of 18 with Clinton, much moreso than with Bush 41.

To me the most telling example of how we as an electorate depend too much on the television image to decide our votes is the way Admiral Stockdale came across to most Americans as inept and illigitimate as a possible Vice President in his debate with Gore and Quayle. The people that really knew the Admiral or knew his story felt more comfortable with the thought of him being in charge of the country than any of the other five Presidential or VP candidates….and still felt so after the debate. But they were the very few. It is unfortunate that the qualities of integrity, strength, sound judgment, and vision don’t always come forth in a forum dedicated primarily to determining simply who can be the most glib.

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By: Redneck http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-49 Redneck Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:41:56 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-49 BTW, I have to disagree with SMD completely on the Bush is stupid thing. Of course Ivy League schools hand out diplomas depending on your family roots. It's midlevel schools like GW and NC State that make you work for your degree. BTW, I have to disagree with SMD completely on the Bush is stupid thing. Of course Ivy League schools hand out diplomas depending on your family roots. It’s midlevel schools like GW and NC State that make you work for your degree.

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By: Redneck http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-48 Redneck Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:39:30 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-48 The question of whether or not the country is ready is ridiculous - the question of whether they will or not is another thing completely. Nearly every industrialized nation, not to mention quite a few non-industrialized nation's have elected women and ethnic minorities (minority for that nation) as leader. Of course we are ready to elect a qualified woman or minority president. Unfortunately, we probably won't. The question of whether or not the country is ready is ridiculous - the question of whether they will or not is another thing completely. Nearly every industrialized nation, not to mention quite a few non-industrialized nation’s have elected women and ethnic minorities (minority for that nation) as leader. Of course we are ready to elect a qualified woman or minority president. Unfortunately, we probably won’t.

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By: Wookie http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-47 Wookie Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:21:35 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/01/18/hillary-isnt-a-b-george-bush-isnt-stupid/#comment-47 Perhaps this is a topic for a blog entry, but I'll ask it here. Honestly - do you feel this country is ready to elect a woman or minority for president? p.s. Go Chargers and Packers today. Perhaps this is a topic for a blog entry, but I’ll ask it here. Honestly - do you feel this country is ready to elect a woman or minority for president?

p.s. Go Chargers and Packers today.

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