Comments on: The L Word http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/02/23/the-l-word/ (There are more of us than you think...) Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:41:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: The L Word Revisited « The Southern Male Democrat http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/02/23/the-l-word/#comment-422 The L Word Revisited « The Southern Male Democrat Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:00:27 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.wordpress.com/?p=49#comment-422 [...] No Comments Long time readers of The Southern Male Democrat will remember that last winter, I decided to “come out of the closet” and tell the world that yes, I am a lobbyist. Having wrapped up another legislative session in the NC General Assembly, and having filed my [...] [...] No Comments Long time readers of The Southern Male Democrat will remember that last winter, I decided to “come out of the closet” and tell the world that yes, I am a lobbyist. Having wrapped up another legislative session in the NC General Assembly, and having filed my [...]

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By: OS http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/02/23/the-l-word/#comment-126 OS Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:50:43 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.wordpress.com/?p=49#comment-126 I think the real issue here is that our current political process and all of its trappings is designed to encourage corruption and reward those whose convictions and character are easily compromised. Let's face it; he who has the gold (or the most political influence by virtue of the gold) makes the rule. I too think public financing must be a part of the solution but the problem is so much deeper. Citizen awareness of the issues and voter participation is most critical. Promoting and insisting on ethical conduct and holding elected officials to the same standards of punishment as every other citizen is key. While at the same time we need to be more tolerant, after all every offense is not one where a head needs to roll. No, the lobbyist is not the problem, they can be contributors to it when they use their resources to deliberately break the rule and when they exercise their right to withdraw funding from a candidate for standing on principles and making decisions that he or she believes is in the best interest of the country that are contrary to the interest of the "special interest". There are no easy answers here, but we need to put more power and control in the hands of an educated and engaged citizenry. In short, "crooked" lobbyists can only be as bad or crooked as our elected officials allow them to be and the others have the right to only support those who share their beliefs or policies if you will. Well, enough for now. I enjoyed the article. Keep up the good work. I think the real issue here is that our current political process and all of its trappings is designed to encourage corruption and reward those whose convictions and character are easily compromised. Let’s face it; he who has the gold (or the most political influence by virtue of the gold) makes the rule.

I too think public financing must be a part of the solution but the problem is so much deeper. Citizen awareness of the issues and voter participation is most critical. Promoting and insisting on ethical conduct and holding elected officials to the same standards of punishment as every other citizen is key. While at the same time we need to be more tolerant, after all every offense is not one where a head needs to roll.

No, the lobbyist is not the problem, they can be contributors to it when they use their resources to deliberately break the rule and when they exercise their right to withdraw funding from a candidate for standing on principles and making decisions that he or she believes is in the best interest of the country that are contrary to the interest of the “special interest”.

There are no easy answers here, but we need to put more power and control in the hands of an educated and engaged citizenry.

In short, “crooked” lobbyists can only be as bad or crooked as our elected officials allow them to be and the others have the right to only support those who share their beliefs or policies if you will.

Well, enough for now. I enjoyed the article. Keep up the good work.

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By: Hag http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/02/23/the-l-word/#comment-114 Hag Sun, 24 Feb 2008 03:38:04 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.wordpress.com/?p=49#comment-114 Excellent article, SMD. Incidentally, I tried to make the same points to our former US Senator back in 1998, but after lots of emotional arguing I could only win a "well, we'll have to agree to disagree" from him. But my debating skills leave a lot to be desired, so go figure. The reality is that lobbyists, as a class of people, are not a problem. Some lobbyists, just like some non-lobbyists can be huge problems, but you have to look at the facts as circumstances of each Abramo...I mean, of each case. The challenge is that, despite the reality, there is a public concern about "lobbyists" (whoever they are or whatever they do) that creates public attitudes about corruption, influence peddling, and general sleeze. This is made worse every election season when we try to pin negative ads that somehow tie someone to some corrpupt lobbyist somewhere. I mean, you never see any headlines about "Lobbyist saves kitty stuck in tree, ends toddler's tears" , right? So, keep up the good work. Be loud and proud - about lobbying - and try to change some attitudes. A little education could go a long ways. Excellent article, SMD.

Incidentally, I tried to make the same points to our former US Senator back in 1998, but after lots of emotional arguing I could only win a “well, we’ll have to agree to disagree” from him. But my debating skills leave a lot to be desired, so go figure.

The reality is that lobbyists, as a class of people, are not a problem. Some lobbyists, just like some non-lobbyists can be huge problems, but you have to look at the facts as circumstances of each Abramo…I mean, of each case.

The challenge is that, despite the reality, there is a public concern about “lobbyists” (whoever they are or whatever they do) that creates public attitudes about corruption, influence peddling, and general sleeze. This is made worse every election season when we try to pin negative ads that somehow tie someone to some corrpupt lobbyist somewhere. I mean, you never see any headlines about “Lobbyist saves kitty stuck in tree, ends toddler’s tears” , right?

So, keep up the good work. Be loud and proud - about lobbying - and try to change some attitudes. A little education could go a long ways.

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By: southernmaledemocrat http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/02/23/the-l-word/#comment-113 southernmaledemocrat Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:41:48 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.wordpress.com/?p=49#comment-113 Hi John - Welcome to the blog. While I may be paid to lobby, the point was that literally EVERYONE has lobbyists working on their behalf at some point or another. So it's more than a little bit disengenous to suggest that lobbyists are a separate part of the political establishment that we can just get rid of. And while we're all free to make our own judgements about which side is good and bad, those judgements are really more about the cause and which side of the partisan divide you line up on, rather than being about lobbyists per se. As for whom I lobby for, let's just say it's not a big corporation, and it's on the left side of the aisle. ;) Hi John - Welcome to the blog.

While I may be paid to lobby, the point was that literally EVERYONE has lobbyists working on their behalf at some point or another. So it’s more than a little bit disengenous to suggest that lobbyists are a separate part of the political establishment that we can just get rid of.

And while we’re all free to make our own judgements about which side is good and bad, those judgements are really more about the cause and which side of the partisan divide you line up on, rather than being about lobbyists per se.

As for whom I lobby for, let’s just say it’s not a big corporation, and it’s on the left side of the aisle. ;)

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By: Redneck http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/02/23/the-l-word/#comment-112 Redneck Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:13:33 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.wordpress.com/?p=49#comment-112 Thank god you're a lobbyist, I was afraid you were going to tell us that you're a lesbian - and I, for one, am not ready to see you wearing purple bandana's and riding a Harley. I had a similar experience recently when someone talking about my organization as a "special interest group". I responded that I don't think of an organization of 1.4 million working people as a "special interest" - I see them as constituents. Good luck and stay away from the Harleys. Thank god you’re a lobbyist, I was afraid you were going to tell us that you’re a lesbian - and I, for one, am not ready to see you wearing purple bandana’s and riding a Harley.

I had a similar experience recently when someone talking about my organization as a “special interest group”. I responded that I don’t think of an organization of 1.4 million working people as a “special interest” - I see them as constituents.

Good luck and stay away from the Harleys.

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By: John Shaw http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/02/23/the-l-word/#comment-111 John Shaw Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:21:41 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.wordpress.com/?p=49#comment-111 I agree that lobbying is not the problem. The difference between you, a lobbyist, and the rest of us is that someone pays you to lobby and the rest of us--or at least some of us--spend time talking to state legislators and other elected officials about issues that concern us. There are, of course, problems associated with lobbying. Principal among these is money, particularly campaign contributions. The large amount of money needed to run for public office is a bar to many who would run but cannot or will not because of the need to spend so much time raising money. The large campaign contributions also give an advantage to those who have easier access to large amounts of money. But money is a separate issue--albeit one that must be addressed--from lobbying. As to whether a lobbyist is good or bad depend on who he is lobbying for--the good guys (grass roots environmental and other organizations) or the bad guys (organizations I don’t like or worse, the big bad evil corporations) So, for whom do you lobby? I agree that lobbying is not the problem. The difference between you, a lobbyist, and the rest of us is that someone pays you to lobby and the rest of us–or at least some of us–spend time talking to state legislators and other elected officials about issues that concern us.

There are, of course, problems associated with lobbying. Principal among these is money, particularly campaign contributions. The large amount of money needed to run for public office is a bar to many who would run but cannot or will not because of the need to spend so much time raising money. The large campaign contributions also give an advantage to those who have easier access to large amounts of money. But money is a separate issue–albeit one that must be addressed–from lobbying.

As to whether a lobbyist is good or bad depend on who he is lobbying for–the good guys (grass roots environmental and other organizations) or the bad guys (organizations I don’t like or worse, the big bad evil corporations)

So, for whom do you lobby?

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