It’s funny and ironic…I’ve overheard two different people today talking about how much they feared an Obama presidency. Drama, party of three.

In the end, we always agree to disagree, kiss, and make-up. You’re my boy, Blue, and you always will be despite our political differences. My vote will cancel out yours and we’ll be even. Isn’t that the beauty (and the tragedy) of it all? Now matter how dumb and uninformed you are, your vote counts just as much as the smartest, most informed, most well-researched voter. (Not saying I actually fit into the former category…well, maybe.)

It’s been fun, dude. Hope it’s increased the number of hits on the site. Much more fun with at least one dissenter. Can’t wait for the next topic.

You da man.

I think we may be just about to the “agree to disagree” point in yet another epic battle. But let me see if I can squeeze out another round or two…..

Let me respond to your points in order.

1. Just to clarify the “what Obama says about Obama” - you are referencing direct quotes from him, or documents from his campaign, such as the tax plan, correct? This is not a reference to other sources analyzing what they say he said, for example - FOX News breaking down the tax plan. Correct?

If that’s the case - then we’re just going to have to agree to disagree. Whatever Obama has said about taxes, medmal, and whatever your third issues was (I looked back and couldn’t quite find it..) my contention remains that policies that differ from what you may want done are nothing to “fear”. Both you and I could have more or less money in our pockets from either outcome, but it would take something like a Great Depression for us to really be in bad straits.

And frankly - let’s just get down to brass tacks here - the words “fear”, and “scared” are a little insulting, when used to describe the political values which I professionally fight for every day and hold dear. Both ways have plenty of flaws - thus the best way is in the middle, but saying you are “scared” implies some sort of calamity if heaven forbid Obama is President.

I know you probably didn’t mean it to be insulting, you were just using the vernacular that many many voters like yourself use, but that is how it can come across.

2. I think we’re talking about two different things. You were talking about rationales inside of a voter’s mind - which are indeed situational. I was talking about tactical methods to influence those rationales.

I’ve got no problem with campaigns on either side drawing distinctions. “He says/wants X, but it will cause Y.” That’s politics. But those arguments typically contain more fact than a more rhetorical meant to create a perception or stoke a fear.

I will stand by my contention that Republicans use that much, much more often than the Democrats - which is why we’re probably getting to the end here. Through two different posts, I gave you concrete examples - that showed widespread, systematic use of those tactics over many years. You have yet to do the same.

(Yet another example - Bill Clinton in 1992 and the blow-up over whether he went to a Vietnam war protest while at Oxford. Again - each Democrat gets some BS like that, where’s the Republican??)

3. Again, you’re kidding right?? I googled “Obama values ad” - and see right where you are going - that his upbringing and background did not in fact provide the values he outlines in his ad.

That argument assumes that “values/faith” are more objective and can be measured against a set of facts. That’s a bunch of bunk to me. Values and faith are relative. There’s nothing wrong with the fact that he didn’t have two parents is a little suburban house growing up - it’s just different from how we may have grown up. Big deal. Any analysis or judgement of what that upbringing means relative to what he would do as President is meaningless - since none of us were there, or are inside his head.

Sounds like another “fear” argument to me - “Ooooh, Obama was raised all over the world in different cultures without a nuclear family. Man, there’s no telling how that would f-up his judgement as President.”

If Obama wants to use those terms to describe his upbringing, he has every right to.

If you could “stomach” reading his books, you might have a little more insight into that straight from the source.

Like I said - I think we’re about at “the point.”

This is the first realistically possible black man in office. His VP choice is VERY important.

I’m not saying it will happen… bit is more likely then ever. This world is not perfect.

I hope and pray something like this will never happen, but it Obama becomes Pres. then it is more likely then ever.

2.That whole paragraph about fear and change sounds great, but in reality it’s a bunch of bunk. It’s completely situational. There are so many people who will vote for Obama because they want change, or because they “fear” the status quo. Hence the name “McSame.” You really don’t think people are scared of the current situation? Come on, man…you don’t live under a rock. Times suck right now, so the smart money is on making voters “fear” the lack of change, and therefore “fear” a McCain presidency. Certainly there are situations in all of our lives in which either change or the lack there of is a little scary. But to suggest the only thing to fear is change is a little ridiculous. Plus, I always thought the only thing to fear was fear itself.

3. The problem I have with the Obama “values” commercial is it’s lack of honesty about his life. Paints a nice picture…seems like a pretty little perception of his up-bringing. But the facts suggest otherwise. Google the commercial and read the editorials that abound. I understand it was smart campaigning…it was aired in battleground states, it forced McSame to drop some jack in states he shouldn’t have to worry about, it’s how the GOP won elections, and it portrays Obama as a boyscout. Smart…but deceitful.

1. When I said I was “scared ” I wasn’t referring to fear created by what McSame says about Obama. Rather it’s fear provoked by what Obama says about Obama. HUGE difference.

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So, the #2 spot on THAT ticket is very important….

I like Obama a lot, and the change he talks about sounds great… but I dont like that fact of ultra-liberals being put into the Supreme Court and destroying my right to bear arms, and I dont like the refusal to drill off the coasts. It needs to be done. Never in the Rockies….

I am really torn on this election. Especially because my vote actually holds a chance to matter this year with NC being a potential swing state. My vote has never mattered yet…