Comments on: Judging Through The Airwaves http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/08/09/judging-through-the-airwaves/ (There are more of us than you think...) Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:41:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: That Girl http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/08/09/judging-through-the-airwaves/#comment-438 That Girl Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:38:28 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.wordpress.com/?p=140#comment-438 I'm tired of people expecting our elected leaders to also be our moral leaders. The true irony is that we, the electorate. strive to elect the person we think is most like us and therefore can relate to our issues and concerns best. Yet, when these same people show a very human flaw, we stand up in shock and wonder how in the world this person who we elected because he is just like the common man could *gasp* act like the common man. Go to church for your morals people. Stop asking elected officials to be that for you. I’m tired of people expecting our elected leaders to also be our moral leaders.

The true irony is that we, the electorate. strive to elect the person we think is most like us and therefore can relate to our issues and concerns best. Yet, when these same people show a very human flaw, we stand up in shock and wonder how in the world this person who we elected because he is just like the common man could *gasp* act like the common man.

Go to church for your morals people. Stop asking elected officials to be that for you.

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By: Genie http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/08/09/judging-through-the-airwaves/#comment-437 Genie Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:28:14 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.wordpress.com/?p=140#comment-437 SMD, you're right -- you used this particular event as a springboard to talk about the general act of judging, and I didn't read this as a defense-of-John or judging-of-John blog entry. And I agree -- television media coverage in particular is going to skew to the ratings, which means it's going to be fairly simplistic and focus on the goriest of the details, whatever they may be and whatever the situation is. Whether it's television news or entertainment, there always has to be a villain and a hero -- the TV folks don't think we have the intelligence to think beyond big strokes, giant archetypes and the same players (with different faces) we've seen before. SMD, you’re right — you used this particular event as a springboard to talk about the general act of judging, and I didn’t read this as a defense-of-John or judging-of-John blog entry. And I agree — television media coverage in particular is going to skew to the ratings, which means it’s going to be fairly simplistic and focus on the goriest of the details, whatever they may be and whatever the situation is. Whether it’s television news or entertainment, there always has to be a villain and a hero — the TV folks don’t think we have the intelligence to think beyond big strokes, giant archetypes and the same players (with different faces) we’ve seen before.

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By: southernmaledemocrat http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/08/09/judging-through-the-airwaves/#comment-436 southernmaledemocrat Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:11:45 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.wordpress.com/?p=140#comment-436 A couple of counterpoints - The column specifically didn't mention Edwards, and used additional hypotheticals, because the point was the public reaction to situations "like" Edwards'. What we all learned on Friday was just the latest example of a phenomenon that happens every time. But further, I urge you to re-read the column, I never said, or implied that Edwards (or anyone in similiar shoes) doesn't deserve to be judged. My point was to the amount and type of judgement that can truly be done, versus the type of judgement the public tends to do. I stand by my assertion that we all tend to judge much more harshly, and broadly than the information that the mass media presents us with would allow. In this case, John Edwards is probably "outta here" - but that's a political point, not a moral one. If we're going to truly judge moral failings in the light that most people suggest, we'd better shine a bright light on everyone, and be prepared for few to withstand the scrutiny. But we really don't want that - we just want the head of whoever the media brings us on a plate. A couple of counterpoints -

The column specifically didn’t mention Edwards, and used additional hypotheticals, because the point was the public reaction to situations “like” Edwards’. What we all learned on Friday was just the latest example of a phenomenon that happens every time.

But further, I urge you to re-read the column, I never said, or implied that Edwards (or anyone in similiar shoes) doesn’t deserve to be judged.

My point was to the amount and type of judgement that can truly be done, versus the type of judgement the public tends to do.

I stand by my assertion that we all tend to judge much more harshly, and broadly than the information that the mass media presents us with would allow.

In this case, John Edwards is probably “outta here” - but that’s a political point, not a moral one. If we’re going to truly judge moral failings in the light that most people suggest, we’d better shine a bright light on everyone, and be prepared for few to withstand the scrutiny.

But we really don’t want that - we just want the head of whoever the media brings us on a plate.

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By: Wookie http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/08/09/judging-through-the-airwaves/#comment-435 Wookie Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:09:07 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.wordpress.com/?p=140#comment-435 I know you all are Edwards fans, but it's pretty hard to defend him on this one. In his own words... 'Less than a month after taking office, he was named one of three Democrats to preside over depositions in the impeachment trial that followed President Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky. At the time, Edwards said the president "has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter." Debating whether Clinton intended to obstruct justice, Edwards said, "I suspect the first thing he thought about is 'I'm going to protect myself politically.' He was worried about his family finding out. He was worried about the rest of the staff finding out. He was worried about the press finding out."' I know you all are Edwards fans, but it’s pretty hard to defend him on this one. In his own words…

‘Less than a month after taking office, he was named one of three Democrats to preside over depositions in the impeachment trial that followed President Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky. At the time, Edwards said the president “has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter.”

Debating whether Clinton intended to obstruct justice, Edwards said, “I suspect the first thing he thought about is ‘I’m going to protect myself politically.’ He was worried about his family finding out. He was worried about the rest of the staff finding out. He was worried about the press finding out.”‘

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By: DixieInDC http://southernmaledemocrat.com/2008/08/09/judging-through-the-airwaves/#comment-434 DixieInDC Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:42:31 +0000 http://southernmaledemocrat.wordpress.com/?p=140#comment-434 You do raise some good points about judging people based on the information that is available. However, I have to say that I strongly disagree with your stance that John Edwards does not deserved to be judged. And this can be done based solely on the "public" face he has presented to the public. He cheated on his wife, who has stuck by him through two tough presidential campaigns and, oh by the way, has an incurable form of cancer. Strike one. Edwards preaches family values, yet committed adultery. Strike two. The senator repeatedly lied about the affair when asked about it by various reporters. There is strong evidence he asked his staff to lie as well. And yet, he has vociferously called on President Bush and various other politicians to "tell the truth" about the war in Iraq, WMDs, etc. Strike three. Johnny Edwards, you're outta here. That's an easy judgment to make. You do raise some good points about judging people based on the information that is available. However, I have to say that I strongly disagree with your stance that John Edwards does not deserved to be judged. And this can be done based solely on the “public” face he has presented to the public.
He cheated on his wife, who has stuck by him through two tough presidential campaigns and, oh by the way, has an incurable form of cancer. Strike one.
Edwards preaches family values, yet committed adultery. Strike two.
The senator repeatedly lied about the affair when asked about it by various reporters. There is strong evidence he asked his staff to lie as well. And yet, he has vociferously called on President Bush and various other politicians to “tell the truth” about the war in Iraq, WMDs, etc. Strike three.
Johnny Edwards, you’re outta here. That’s an easy judgment to make.

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